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Amy Awien · Dec 19, 2007, 08:05 PM // 20:05

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Originally Posted by Wakka

Meaning you've been arguing your point for ages now and you play with more than 500hp?

As I've said I used (and use) radiant insignia - or it's equivalent druids - or Scouts (I think) and usually an AL bowgrip, not a bowgrip of fortitude. So it was actually 435.

Striken7 · Dec 21, 2007, 07:47 PM // 19:47

"Good ranger builds? (Your Opinion)"

Any build with more then 435 health and you're already one-up on some people...

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Not so long ago the Dogma was to spec 16 (12+3+1) in Marksmanship, anything else was unspeakable.

Anything else, including 3 majors, which was never and will never be a good idea.

Amy Awien · Dec 21, 2007, 11:29 PM // 23:29

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Originally Posted by Striken7

Anything else, including 3 majors, which was never and will never be a good idea.

Could you provide some form of reasoning as well, or is this just another statement without any original - or even any - thinking behind it?

Washi · Dec 22, 2007, 12:54 AM // 00:54

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien

Could you provide some form of reasoning as well, or is this just another statement without any original - or even any - thinking behind it?

... You want to hear the same reasons again and again? It's quite obvious you do not understand simple things like level of difficulty.

If you are talking about regular pve, then it really doesnt matter what build you run. You can have 3 sup runes and a bar like mending and hh. You will still win cause that's how difficult is regular pve.

If you are talkin about hard mode, dungeons, elite missions; then clearly you have no idea what you're talkin about. Stone summit will pummel you, and you will blame the monk. You absolutely need decent amount of hp to survive difficult areas. Period.

To tell you the truth, even if I didn't need high hp to survive I would still prefer to have it just to feel more comfortable because those 3-4 attribute points will make almost no difference. There are very few situations where sup rune is actually giving you more than it is takin away (for example MM necro).

BTW I'm still waiting for you to present just one reason why sup rune is worth the health loss. Just one reason, please, tell me what do you gain from those 2 attribut points, where is that magical breakpoint? Unless you need high healing prayers for mending...

Stormlord Alex · Dec 22, 2007, 01:34 AM // 01:34

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Originally Posted by Washi

BTW I'm still waiting for you to present just one reason why sup rune is worth the health loss. Just one reason, please, tell me what do you gain from those 2 attribut points, where is that magical breakpoint? .

lolnoob
mi powur sh0t dos 3 moar dam4ge lolol

LightningHell · Dec 22, 2007, 08:39 AM // 08:39

I'm not going to bother cleaning up the thread.

Besides, the trend of PvP characters, in any case, has always been to run as much health as possible without missing important breakpoints. This is especially the case since the armor swap disable.

Amy Awien · Dec 22, 2007, 09:35 AM // 09:35

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Originally Posted by Washi

... You want to hear the same reasons again and again? It's quite obvious you do not understand simple things like level of difficulty.

What reasons did you see Striken give, well? None, he's just repeating a refrain he picked up.

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You absolutely need decent amount of hp to survive difficult areas. Period.

Apparently I have different experiences in these area's. Why is it so hard to accept that? Why is it that your experiences can be the only one to stand and anything else must be attacked and ridiculed.

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To tell you the truth, even if I didn't need high hp to survive I would still prefer to have it just to feel more comfortable because those 3-4 attribute points will make almost no difference.

That's perfectly fine with me, I have no desire to change your preference and you have to play your game in the way you get the most from it.

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I'm still waiting for you to present just one reason why sup rune is worth the health loss.

You are distorting what I've said and then arguing against the the distorted statement. I never mentioned superior runes (that was Wakka) or that they were always needed. My opinion is that >500HP is unneccesary and if a build trades in health for attribute points, that's fine.

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Just one reason, please, tell me what do you gain from those 2 attribut points, where is that magical breakpoint?

The same reason why I'd want a 15-28 damge bow with a +15% and not a 14-26, or one with a +14%, or a +5 AL grip and not +4. The same reason someone might prefer radiant or scout over survivor insinia's, we optimize a build in the direction we think suits our playing experiences in the best way.

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Unless you need high healing prayers for mending...

I don't get it, you've just made some effort to reason about it and now you're concluding your argument with a statement that can only show you as a complete jerk. Why?

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

lolnoob
mi powur sh0t dos 3 moar dam4ge lolol

Wow, amazing arguments. Tell us, why did you drop out of kindergarten?

Wakka · Dec 22, 2007, 11:35 AM // 11:35

Your really doing yourself no justice here lol

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You are distorting what I've said and then arguing against the the distorted statement. I never mentioned superior runes (that was Wakka) or that they were always needed. My opinion is that >500HP is unneccesary and if a build trades in health for attribute points, that's fine.

As for this, the only way to have 435hp you would have to have at least one sup rune and a major, or lke 3 majors lol (that is assuming your using AT LEAST a minor vig).

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If you are talkin about hard mode, dungeons, elite missions; then clearly you have no idea what you're talkin about. Stone summit will pummel you, and you will blame the monk. You absolutely need decent amount of hp to survive difficult areas. Period.

And no offence but if your deny/dispute this then you truely have no clue what you are talking about. I've said it many times through this post. I come watch and even help you through an elite area where you have 435hp but have yet to see anything lol

Stormlord Alex · Dec 22, 2007, 11:56 AM // 11:56

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien

Wow, amazing arguments. Tell us, why did you drop out of kindergarten?

You may wish to purchase a sarcasm detector before you venture any further on t3h internets, o shining pinnacle of human intelligence.

Tab · Dec 22, 2007, 11:59 AM // 11:59

so i herd dis topic woz baed
c/d

Lhim · Dec 22, 2007, 12:00 PM // 12:00

It's safe to say you guys will never agree.

Anyway, I'm always somewhere within 450-490 with my ranger and my heroes are probably even lower, because I'm a cheap bastard. Never had any serious problems though.

Amy Awien · Dec 22, 2007, 12:56 PM // 12:56

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Originally Posted by Wakka

As for this, the only way to have 435hp you would have to have at least one sup rune and a major, or lke 3 majors lol (that is assuming your using AT LEAST a minor vig).

What are you rumbling about? We've been through some combinations that end up well below 500 HP, do you want each and every possibility discussed? Or could you just get the general idea?

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... I've said it many times through this post. I come watch and even help you through an elite area where you have 435hp but have yet to see anything lol

And as I've said before, it would be silly to trust you to put effort into supporting a view that conflicts with your own. I pass that opportunity, sorry for not trusting you, but I don't expect you to trust me either.

Wakka · Dec 22, 2007, 06:31 PM // 18:31

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What are you rumbling about? We've been through some combinations that end up well below 500 HP, do you want each and every possibility discussed? Or could you just get the general idea?

No I want what you actually use lol

And the last time ive asked you, you told me you hadnt even been in a duneon in EotN lol :s

horseradish · Dec 22, 2007, 07:51 PM // 19:51

so....how about you people stop ur quote wars? huh?

It's not going anywhere and there's like only one or two useful pages and......shut up.

Washi · Dec 23, 2007, 02:14 AM // 02:14

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien

I don't get it, you've just made some effort to reason about it and now you're concluding your argument with a statement that can only show you as a complete jerk. Why?

Because I made an effort to write a long post and in the end I realized it won't change anything so I felt like being a jerk.

Being bored at work sux.

Amy Awien · Dec 23, 2007, 06:47 AM // 06:47

Yes, it does, nowhere to go, nothing to do. I hope it's not a chronic condition.

edit: I meant being bored at work not being chronic

natural sugar · Dec 25, 2007, 07:11 AM // 07:11

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien

Apparently I have different experiences in these area's. Why is it so hard to accept that? Why is it that your experiences can be the only one to stand and anything else must be attacked and ridiculed.

Just out of curiosity, what "difficult" areas are you doing SUCCESSFULLY with ~450 health (or whatever you said you have, not going to back through every post)?

Amy Awien · Dec 25, 2007, 08:49 AM // 08:49

Anything I guess and I don't care to compile a list. Health is not a priority in setup and I didn't notice difficulties arising from 'low' health.

Scary Raebbit · Dec 25, 2007, 01:17 PM // 13:17

It doesn't take that long to compile a list.
You basically have two areas in the mists on HM, DoA HM (lol not really), Shards of Orr HM, Forgeweight HM, Frostmaw's HM, Gate of Madness HM, Raisu Palace HM, probably some others I'm forgetting.

Clarissa F · Dec 25, 2007, 04:18 PM // 16:18

At least two pages of someone arguing a point without giving CONCRETE evidence, just spamming and quoting. Amy should run for president.

Show us success in a HM area with low HP. Screen shots are easy. You are the one trying to argue the point, so the burden of proof is on you. Otherwise, you are giving the impression you are a flaming troll.

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